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A lifelong passion of the former senator and Air Force general. K-7 UGA is his call and in the world of ham radio we call him Barry. If we don't go no code do you think we can hold on to our present frequencies? Can they hold on to it with the numbers we have? My answer would be very doubtful. Can you hold on to it with a couple hundred thousand young amateurs? Yes. Because they all vote. They can all communicate with the Congress. They can tell them, look we don't want you taking these frequencies away from us. And I'll tell you as former chairman of the communications subcommittee, I practically never heard from a ham. Barry, what influence, if any, do you think the amateur fraternity can have on politicians? You'll find among the 535 members of our Congress right now, not one amateur operator. Now there's some that are interested because they have friends and constituents that are interested in saving a frequency. And they've had a lot of mail on it but they don't know what the hell they're talking about. Barry, what is your position on no code? I hate to say this to you because I'm one of those sort of old fashioned hams that really love the code. But we are not getting new amateurs. So we do away with the code requirement and we bring a lot of new young men into the business of amateurs and also into the business of bettering the new communication systems. So you're proposing a no code license? I frankly would put more emphasis on the technical questions. Forget about the code. Nobody's going to use it. Now there used to be a pretty good argument for learning code. You'd say, well, it'll come in handy if you ever become a member of the armed service. No more. There's no requirement for it. All the forces have dropped it. And I say everything new is digital, computerized, and there's darn few things you can't do with a computer and equipment. How would you propose that we get into the business of no code? Well, the business is rather simple. You first would have to get the ARRL, the American Radio Relay League, behind it. You'd have to get these magazine editors who I think are inclining that way. You've got to remember one thing. You have more amateurs. You're going to sell more equipment. But the easiest way is to convince the American Radio Relay League that opposition or no opposition, if they want to increase the amateur ranks, they have to do away with the number one objection code. Now I know that's... I know a lot of people will be shocked to hear an old-timer like me say that. We're not going to do away with code. I want to sit down here and wobble the key. I'll do that forever. But it isn't going to be with some young kid that wants to become an amateur. Let's put that in practice. How would it really work? Schools come up here, young people come up here to watch radio communications, and they're all thrilled. But then you say, now you're going to have to learn Morse code. They think it's impossible. And you know, and I know, it's not. But that's their attitude. And they don't want any part of Morse code. Even if God stuck a pin in their head and said, you can now work Morse, they wouldn't want it. They're enthralled by the new communications, Baudot, the high-speed digital frequencies, all the different things that we have today. I'd hate to act the devil to start over again and have to learn. I'd rather learn the Morse code over again. So we'll make more advancement with young people fiddling around with their Saturday night hands and a good book and a box full of junk. And then by teaching a Morse code, when nobody much talks in Morse code anymore. Barry, would it be fair to say the day of the Morse operators gone? Well, I'll make a prophecy, and I won't be alive to ever see it come true. If we continue to require a knowledge of code for a license, people are going to just plain die. I'm 80. I'm not going to be around here forever. But when I'm gone, that's one less guy that knows the code. So what the hell is the difference? I don't want to see amateur radio die out because, as I've said, 98% of all the improvements made in radio have come out of an amateur shack. I want to see that encouraged. As I say, I think we can swell our ranks by at least 200,000. If we just allow young amateurs or would-be amateurs to come in as a licensed amateur without having gone through the, I don't call it pain, but through the process of learning Morse code. We've been talking to K7UGA Barry Goldwater, one of the true pioneers of amateur radio. His contribution to the service is legendary. Now, today in the 1980s, Barry Goldwater believes deeply that the time has come to eliminate one of the main staples of amateur radio licensing procedure, Morse code. He pleads the case with fellow hams that new blood, young hams, are needed to carry on the tradition land to carry the service into the future. And Senator Goldwater, K7UGA, says unequivocally that the time has come for the amateur fraternity to debate the issues of no code and then take action as they deem fit. And now for Barry Goldwater, K7UGA, this is Roy Neal, K6DUE in Scottsdale, Arizona, 73.", "segments": [{"id": 0, "seek": 0, "start": 0.6599999999999986, "end": 6.58, "text": " A place of great natural beauty and it's a dream location for ham radio.", "tokens": [50363, 317, 1295, 286, 1049, 3288, 8737, 290, 340, 338, 257, 4320, 4067, 329, 8891, 5243, 13, 50713], "temperature": 0.0, "avg_logprob": -0.23096937661642555, "compression_ratio": 1.5345622119815667, "no_speech_prob": 0.2513729929924011, "words": [{"word": " A", "start": 0.6599999999999986, "end": 1.18, "probability": 0.17568856477737427}, {"word": " place", "start": 1.18, "end": 1.42, "probability": 0.8507824540138245}, {"word": " of", "start": 1.42, "end": 2.54, "probability": 0.9901367425918579}, {"word": " great", "start": 2.54, "end": 2.78, "probability": 0.9812987446784973}, {"word": " natural", "start": 2.78, "end": 3.24, "probability": 0.9655274748802185}, {"word": " beauty", "start": 3.24, "end": 3.56, "probability": 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